RESOLVED:Understanding Associated Products Modules

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12 years 5 months ago #54935

Hi again Nicolas... I am continuing with my attempt to better Understanding HS Category and Product Menus and Associated Products Modules:

When you want to show a module's contents in same area [module] as product or category listing [just below], you do so by:
1. Create module,
2. leave it unpublished [do not activate as stand alone module], then
3. associate it to Category or Products Listing menu which activates it under content page.

Questions:
1. Will Hikashop always create generic modules: [e.g. "associated products listing for category listing menu 223"] when I create a category or product listing menu?
2. Can I decide to have no Associated Products Listing Module for a Category Listing Menu?
3. Can I remove all Associated Modules from a CLM? Given alert message can I choose NOT to create one automatically?
4. Should I allow HikaShop to Automatically create Associated Module, even if I do not want to display the module?
4. The names and Id numbers are confusing - can't I rename them? [for example: "AP for Ballerina Menu"]... or will this create problems for HikaShop? I can imagine a large number of these modules [many possibly unpublished] on the management page making it hard to tell which ones are being used and which ones are not and then making it difficult to clean house possibly deleting ones which are needed...



5. If I rename this generic named module, why does HS create another generic? [This happened to me]:
I had a Generic "APLM for CLM 223" and I renamed it to "APLM for Ballerina CLM". I selected it as associated to menu listing 223 [Ballerina CL]. Then without my assistance, HikaShop created a new generic "APLM for CLM 223" and reassigned it to menu listing 223 and left my renamed APLM unassociated. Can you explain why this happened?
6. Can I select more than one module to be associated to a listing menu?

Thanks
Scott

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12 years 5 months ago #55069

Hi,

1. Yes. It does that for your convenience so that you don't have to manually create the associated modules.

2. Yes, but then it would display the products listing... I don't see why you would want a category listing menu without being able to reach the products of the categories ?

3. Yes, you can remove them. And you don't have to click on the link if you don't want one.

4. You can rename them, that's not a problem at all. One thing which is great is to only have one module and associate it to each category listing menu. That way, you have only one options screen for all the products listings of your category listing menus.

5. In some cases, HikaShop might create automatically the products listing module associated to the menu if it sees that you didn't associated any module to it (as I said in point 2, I don't see what would be the goal of a category listing menu without products listed too...). If you associate your module to it, it won't create another one anymore.

6. Yes, you can have several modules associated to a listing menu.

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12 years 5 months ago #55563

Hi NIcolas: In your last post you made an interesting comment:

as I said in point 2, I don't see what would be the GOAL of a category listing menu without products listed too..


This got me thinking that I must have a fundamental misunderstanding about these Listing Menus and Modules. So Please review my understanding via the points below and correct me where necessary:

What is goal [purpose] of Listing Menu's Associated Module?:
1. Up to this point, I thought this module would show the product you select, BELOW the main body of display products [or categories?] in my main module position [for me User1]. Correct?

2. Further, that this module is NOT for positioning of products/categories from the Menu Listing's "Associated Category" in the MAIN BODY of product display, right??? If I am wrong here, I have fundamental misunderstanding... I haven't thought it to be this way since it has seemed to me that my products have displayed in main product area seemingly automatically... so I assumed this module was only for displaying "Associated" products in other areas or below products... in other words, is an Associated Module REQUIRED to display the MENU'S "Associated Category" products [or categories?] in the MAIN BODY of User1, OR to display instead only the MODULE'S "Associated Category" products UNDER the Main Body of User1?????

3. In addition, this Associated Module is for positioning of products defined in Module's "Associated Category" [if static, i.e; sync set to off] or with products syncronized to Menu Listing's "Associated Category"

4. I did NOT understand this module to be connected in any way to the products defined on product page as "related products" .... this is a revelation/ and now I have understood and set up a "Related Products" module successfully.


What is goal [purpose] of Category Listing Menu?:
5. My understanding has been: To show a listing of various CATEGORIES to choose from, right?
My upper level categories contain only sub categories, NOT products, so a Category Listing Menu for these categories would only show a list of subcategories and no products... and so my reasoning was that I do not think showing product modules below these categories would make sense yet since customer is in process of choosing categories to narrow down to products that they want. This is why I was looking to remove modules from [or not have modules in] these listings. So if you have a category listing of subcategories, do you suggest to also show products here as well? Can you give me some examples of modules showing products alongside a list of categories?

6. My understanding of an ecom site design has been to have category listing pages showing various categories to choose from so shopper can narrow search..i.e., shoes, handbags, luggage, etc. and then they can click through the various nested submenus until they reach the subcategory which contains the products which will be presented to them via a product page... [example: shoes/womens shoes/ballerinas/classic ballerina product page = 4 clicks]. So in this case there would be a few pages with with only category choices, and I think it would be confusing to throw in products before the customer reaches their final product page destination... at that point, related products could be shown.... So again here are Category Listing Menus without need as I understand it to show products. , Is this correct? If not, please explain why.. [NOTE This may be an error on my part as I am aware of and have been concerned with having too many "clicks" between customer and individual product... so I am open to ideas or structures that will get customer to product with fewest clicks possible while at same time keeping site organized.]

7. Also note that If my understanding of use of Associated Module changes as per #2 above to include positioning of product/categories in the Main Body as well, then an Associated Module would almost always be necessary for that and parts #5 and #6 would be moot.

8. Question: Aren't Category and Product here for purpose of Listing Menus interchangeable? When you refer to needing a module to display "products", you really mean to display product or category lists, right?? In this case, you would need a module regardless of whether you are displaying a list of categories or a list of products.... if this is true, this changes my understanding of the necessity of these modules....


Thanks again for your help with this.

Regards
Scott

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12 years 4 months ago #55659

1. No. That option of the menus allows you to display products listing modules at the end of the main display area of your template when on are on that menu.
So if you have a categories listing menu with a products listing module associated, you will get the listing of the sub categories of the current category at the top of the main area, and then the listing of the products of the currency category below it.

2. It indeed has nothing to do with product pages. It's only for listings.
An associated products listing module is required for a categories listing menu. If you don't set it (it's actually generated automatically by HikaShop), you won't see any products listing in the main area when you click on your categories.

3. Yes, if you don't activate the synchro, it will always display the same products. The way it's used normally is with the synchro option on. That way, by default it displays the products of the "associated category" of the menu, and when you click on the category of the menu, it displays the products of that category automatically.

4. This hikashop content module is a "one size fit all". So you can have instances of it for associated modules of menus, or at the bottom of the product page with the 'modules under the product page' option of the configuration, or anywhere on your template if you leave them published in the modules manager (that way, you can for example have one instance of it as a carousel on the home page, another for the latest products on the left column, etc).

5. Right.
No. You need to have a products listing module there which is synched with the menu. That way, it won't display any products on the first page, but then, when you click on a category, it will display the products of that category, as I explained already above.
If you don't set a products listing module there, the menu will never display a products listing
For examples, just look at our demo website...

6. See previous points.

7. Yes, these points are moot :)

8. When you have a products listing menu, the menu itself displays the products. So you don't need an associated module. You can have one, but then you will get two products listings.
When you have a cateogries listing menu, the menu displays the categories. So you need to associated module in order to display the products of the categories when needed.

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12 years 4 months ago #55807

Hi Nicolas, thanks I am understanding more.

Summary:
Product Listing Menu: No Associate Module required
Category Listing Menu: Associated Module required, but unpublished; also Sync set to yes so Module's Associated category not needed because Module uses Associated Category of Listing Menu

Two Final Questions:

1. For a category listing menu's associated module, does the "content on product page" field have any affect? Since in my case, the associated module is to display product on main body and not related products, I selected "in module 's associated category" but see no change on page regardless if this field's value is "related products".
2. I do not understand the "Menu" field on this Associated Modules page. Up to this point I have left it blank. Can you explain when this would be used and how? Thanks

Scott

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12 years 4 months ago #55864

1. No, that option does not have any meaning for associated modules.
It's only useful if the module is displayed on the product page, which is not the case for an associated module.

2. That is mainly useful for category listing modules. Because when you have a category listing module displayed somewhere, when you click on a category link, it has to display the sub categories/sub products in the main area, so in a menu. Thanks to that option, joomla will know which menu to use for that display.
So for associated products modules, that option is not useful.

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12 years 4 months ago #55867

Thanks Nicolas, I think I've got it. Now to get practical with site. I will let you know if I have any other questions or Issues relevant to "associated modules"

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9 years 7 months ago #199880

Number 4:

I've tried what you say under 4. I created a category listing menu and the system created an associated module. I then copied the category listing menu to create a variant. I then tried to assign the associated module to the variant using the method described in the manual with no success. The associated module is published on that pop up list but when I click okay nothing is assigned to the category listing variant.
What am I doing wrong?

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Edward


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9 years 7 months ago #199883

Hi,

After validating the popup, you need to click on the save button at the top to validate the settings of the menu. Only then will the associated module modification be taken into account.

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9 years 7 months ago #199922

Hi Nicolas,

Are you referring to the attached screenshot button at the top right of the pop-up? I pressed that one.

Could it be that I am trying to attached an associated module that was automatically created for a menu item? I see that there are other associated modules in the list that seem to be manually created.

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9 years 7 months ago #199929

Hi,

You of course need to click on this one to validate the popup. But you also need to click on the "save" button at the top of the page after that: take.ms/o1IcA

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