Gift cards / balance

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8 years 9 months ago #229315

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I've tried reading up on the best way to handle this so I just figured I'd explain the situation before buying an addon ( HikaSerial )..

We have a client using Hikashop and they want to have a category where they can generate $100 gift vouchers for them each year to purchase office supplies from their corporate site. They want it to deduct from the balance so that they don't have to use the full $100 right away, so say they only spend $20.00 with that voucher then will still have $80 left to spend for the rest of the year.

1. Can this be done in any way with HikaShop alone?
2. Do I need HikaSerial?
3. Can a coupon have a running balance? ( that would be the best option! ).
4. Is there any option to offer a store credit?
5. Can this be made so that the customer cannot buy them? but that they are issued in the back-end by an Administrator instead?

HikaSerial seemed a bit complex to set up .. if that's my only option, can you guarantee that will do the job? and if so, can you give some step by step instructions based on my description?

It really would be like having an amazon gift card where I get $100 and I can spend it over a period of time on various things.. They may want to even limit it to a particular set of products/categories.

Thanks!

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8 years 9 months ago #229318

Hi,

1. The voucher generation when buying a product can't be done by HikaShop.
2. Yes ; the unique content generation is the main feature of HikaSerial.
3. No ; the best is to use "user points" for that. (it requires HikaShop essential or business)
4. CF point 3
5. Buy them what ?

HikaSerial might look complicated but it is not.
You need to configure a points generator, a pack and then associate the pack to the products which will give a voucher.
And we have a tutorial which explain the first step of the HikaSerial configuration :
www.hikashop.com/support/documentation/2...serial-tutorial.html

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8 years 9 months ago #229431

Jerome wrote: Hi,

1. The voucher generation when buying a product can't be done by HikaShop.
2. Yes ; the unique content generation is the main feature of HikaSerial.
3. No ; the best is to use "user points" for that. (it requires HikaShop essential or business)
4. CF point 3
5. Buy them what ?

HikaSerial might look complicated but it is not.
You need to configure a points generator, a pack and then associate the pack to the products which will give a voucher.
And we have a tutorial which explain the first step of the HikaSerial configuration :
www.hikashop.com/support/documentation/2...serial-tutorial.html

Regards,


Ok, thank you! one final question then..

We have the business version I believe, or whichever was the most expensive :) .. I can't recall at the moment.. but if user points will do it, do I still need HikaSerial? I know user points is a plugin... can we just give them points equivalent to a dollar amount?

I'm hesitant to just enable things since the site is live which is why I'm asking so many questions.. we didn't enable user points because we didn't want them earning points .. just given a certain amount via the admin per year manually

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8 years 9 months ago #229432

Hi,

There is a small documentation page on points (but we have plans to improve it).
www.hikashop.com/support/documentation/257-using-points.html

HikaShop have two "user points" plugins ; one to gain points and the other to use them.
You can activate the points without any published plugin, or just with the one to "pay with points".
As long as a customer do not have points, the payment method won't be display (or the block in the checkout workflow).

Using the "earning" plugin you can have that "balance" feature but it won't be a gift card because the customer who bought the product will earn the points.
The goal of the add-on HikaSerial is to give a gift card to the customer. That card will contain a code which can be use in the your website. And by using the code, the user who entered it will received a determine quantity of points.

So, to start, I'll suggest you to test the user points.
You can also try it in our demo website if you want to be safe with your production website.

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8 years 9 months ago #229478

Thank you SO much for being patient, and it's useful.. even if not just for me but others who've been reading for this information..

I have one more wrench to throw into this ... the client only has GUEST checkout... so I think that eliminates the user points, this dawned on me as I enabled the plugin and was about to test it ... is that correct in assumption? I think it's fair to say it is not possible to use user points without users... ( duh me )

So HikaSerial, could it still handle this? ... I'm assuming it could... with a running balance? so the guest checks out with a code... uses 50% of the balance and can then come back and use the remaining 50% later?

Forgive me... I forgot about that one part which I know is critical

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8 years 9 months ago #229487

Hi,

It changes the game.

The guest checkout do have a user and "user custom fields" but you can't be sure that the user will reuse the same entry in the database.
About HikaSerial and the balance feature ; it is something possible but not without some customization/development.
There is no built-in feature to do that even if HikaSerial have possibilities and internal features to let plugins do "things".

Like the fact that a consumption plugin can authorize several consumption of a serial.
Generally, the first time a serial is consume, an action is done and the serial is marked as "used". So you cannot use it anymore.
But a plugin can authorize several consumption, to perform an action several times.

You also have the serial "extra data" which allow to store data.
The "points" serials embed the value of the number of points that the user will earn by consuming the serial.
There is also a plugin which can include a expiration date for the serial ; so the consumption cannot be done after a certain period...

HikaSerial is for my point of view, a real "toolbox" ; thanks to his structure and his plugins, it can be highly flexible.
That's mostly why it could be seen as a complicated component but his "core", his main concept, is simple.
A product is bought >> the product is link with a pack >> A unique serial is assign to the order

So basically, the custom feature you want is about the usage of that serial ; which will generate a discount and store the balance into the serial. Once that balance reach 0, the serial is then marked as used.
The difficult part is to create the interaction with the cart, to create the discount and to be able to modify the balance when you have confirmation that the order is created (so the discount is being used).

But, if we imagine that a custom development would be needed with HikaSerial ; we can also imagine a custom development just for HikaShop in order to extend the feature of the HikaShop coupons.
HikaShop also have triggers for the coupon processing. You can imagine a plugin which will modify dynamically the coupon value and will substrat that value to the original coupon when the order is created.
www.hikashop.com/support/documentation/6...entation.html#coupon

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8 years 9 months ago #229715

I talked out client into allowing registrations.. I did the following to test user points, which KIND of works..

1. I enabled the user points plugin
2. I created the user_points custom field for the backend and assigned myself 100 points with a rate of 1:1 USD
3. I enabled registration on checkout
4. I added a $9.00 item to my cart, free shipping
5. It did not provide me a payment option, it FORCED the points ( it used 10 points instead of 9 which is also not right )
6. I verified that the payment plugin for points is enabled with Partial Payment and Use Virtual Coupons also enabled.

How can I make it where they can choose the number of points they want to spend? .. I also only see one selection available under "Points Mode"

It seems we're close but it would be nice to make the points optional.. it may not be a big deal though.

Edit:

The 10 points being used thing, I realized is just because it accounted for tax and rounded the points up... I would rather it not do that, I think the round down option might be what I need to enable, I will toy with that.

Also another odd issue .. I have the "Give points when using some" option set to "Don't Give" and yet when I check out it says

Points Used: 10
Points Earned: 10

The balance stays at 100 .. why would that be?

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8 years 9 months ago #229719

Sorry for all of the messages.. but as I dig further into the user points system it seems either I've got it misconfigured or it's got a lot of bugs..


1. I can't restrict the points to a category.. the payment plugin has no option to do so.

2. I can restrict category for the user points plugin itself but I think that's just for "earning" .. i also cannot get earning to stop, it takes away the same number of points I earn so the balance remains 100

2. The restrictions option to not include taxes does not work ( using tax cloud ) .. we want all items in this category to be tax free

The idea is that they only want these points to be used on certain products.. I see no way of restricting it to products or categories that works.. any idea?

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2 years 4 months ago #343062

Hi,

For anyone reading this, there is now a multiple coupon plugin for HikaShop available here:
www.hikashop.com/marketplace/product/164...coupon-checkout.html
This will allow you to spend a coupon value in several chuncks for different orders.
So it should be a great help if you want to allow gift cards uses similar to what is available on Amazon.

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