New VAT rules will apply from 1 July 2021 onwards

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3 years 6 months ago #332134

Hi Hikashop,

This ticket below refers to the new VAT regulation in Europe.
www.hikashop.com/forum/taxes/901799-eu-t...-or-less.html#328960

But this ticket only concerns the import of goods that are delivered from outside the EU to customers who do not submit a VAT return within the EU. A threshold of 150 euros has indeed been set for this before it is seen as an export and therefore import duties have to be charged.

However, for e-shops that deliver goods that are already in the EU and are delivered to consumers (or to customers who do not submit a VAT return) in other EU countries, they also have to deal with new rules.

For example, up to € 10,000 worth of goods that are delivered abroad, they must apply the VAT rate of their own country.
However, when they have more than € 10,000 in turnover abroad, the VAT will change from that moment and all orders must receive the VAT rates of the relevant countries to which they will be delivered.

So Hikashop or a plugin must ensure that there is a turning point of passing on VAT rates as soon as the € 10,000 turnover limit of foreign delivery has been reached.
There is also a possibility to immediately calculate the foreign VAT rates from 1 January, so you would not need the above plugin. But a smaller number of companies will probably opt for this.
So something important must be achieved in the short time.

Furthermore, in both cases it must be possible to read how much VAT has been charged to consumers (or to customers who do not submit a VAT return) in each country. So that these can be specified in the new OSS scheme.

See this short video from European Commission department for Taxation and the Customs Union: youtu.be/scaI508byzA
See also: ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/vat-e-commerce_en
See also: ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/v...-border-ecommerce_en
See also: www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/vat-news/eu-2...rce-vat-package.html

Hopefully you are already working on this or we can achieve something workable together.

Ideas are welcome.

Kind regards,
Lumiga


Kind regards,
Lumiga
Last edit: 3 years 6 months ago by Lumiga.

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3 years 6 months ago #332143

Hi,

You can already charge different VAT for different countries. We've been doing that for many years on our website.
And you can also see "how much VAT has been charged to consumers (or to customers who do not submit a VAT return) in each country" thanks to the listing of tax rates that you can access via the "manage tax rates" button of the System>Taxes menu. There, you can choose the statuses to take into account and the period and get a break down for each tax rate (one per country).

What we don't have is a way to have a cut off amount for VAT to be charged or not. As I said in the other thread, it can be done with a small plugin if necessary. From what I understand, it only concerns merchants outside the EU that ship more than 150€ of goods to it. I suspect most merchants do not care and will just ship the goods to the consumer and it will be up to him to pay the taxes if the package is caught since the EU can't enforce their rules to overseas merchants ( similar to the GDPR privacy policies which should technically be done on any cookies-using website where EU citizens have access, but which is actually only respected by EU-based companies in general).

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3 years 6 months ago #332156

Hi,

You are right it is possible to charge different VAT for different countries. And you can also see "how much VAT has been charged to consumers (or to customers who do not submit a VAT return) in each country" for a specific periode.

But what is not there yet and what I think should come is an option to check whether more than € 10,000 in order amounts to foreign customers has already been converted so that from that moment the VAT of the various countries will be charged. So before the € 10,000 is reached, Dutch VAT must be charged for shipments to Belgium, France or Germany for a Dutch shop. Only after € 10,000 foreign turnover the shop have to charged different VAT for different countries.

In 2021, there is an exception to this threshold of € 10,000 that applies for the second half of 2021


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3 years 6 months ago #332161

Hi,

I would rather recommend that you get the sum from HikaShop's reports / tax rates listing and estimate the date you'll want the tax rules to change on your website. That's because, the sum HikaShop calculate might not be what you need based on how your shop is configured (if you have custom order statuses for example), and also because you might have invoiced EU companies outside of HikaShop and that wouldn't be taken into account if we were to calculate it in HikaShop (for example, we do invoices for custom development work and some of these don't go through our website and thus are accounted for differently, but we would still need to take them into account for the 10000 limit). So it's better that you estimate that date yourself and use the start date and end date options of your tax rules to configure the two set of tax rules to switch at that specific date.

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