I think I may of sussed how to do it late last night, I believe that the problem is peoples understanding of category and products, if in the menu I put the items as products I can get it to work if I put it to categories it doesnt and I struggle
I always understood categories as eg
Cars = Category
>> Car Tyres = sub category/associated Category...not associated Products
>>> Dunlop 185 x55x 15 = product/s
They are not associated products but associated categories/sub categories, I think a few people have got lost in translation, well I certainly did anyways
I will crack on and try and catch up with the 10hours I lost, and call back when I get stuck again which will probably be in about 2 hours